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More on the Pentagon’s database from a DoD press briefing on 10 Jul 2012:
DOD News Briefing with George Little and Capt. Kirby from the Pentagon
Q: I want to ask you on a more contemporary issue that happened a couple weeks ago, the Supreme Court’s decision on the Stolen Valor case.
Is the department reviewing the decision to come up with measures to help the public basically vet fakes via a database like the Military Times does or some other mechanism that would help — help the public determine when some of these claims are erroneous?
MR. LITTLE: Very good question, Tony. And I know this is an issue of importance to many Americans and too many servicemembers.
The answer is yes. We are taking another look at that decision. We are exploring options to stand up a database of valor awards and medals. We haven’t arrived at a final conclusion yet, but that process is ongoing and the goal is to stand up such a database.
Q: Is there a — if you don’t — you might not know this — but it would be database looking back to the — through the Vietnam War or the mid-’60s or over the last 20 years? Has any of the parameters been laid out yet?
MR. LITTLE: I don’t have specific parameters for you today.
Obviously, that’s something that officials are taking a close look at. There are some complexities involved in looking back into history. We would obviously hope to be able to go as far back as possible, but we also want there to be integrity in the data.
So these are factors that are being weighed, and we’re in the process of exploring those options. So the door is open.
Q: Did the secretary launch an initiative or did Mr. Johnson, the general counsel, launch it, as far as you know?
MR. LITTLE: The secretary supports the initiative, which is being led by Undersecretary Conaton.
Q: Just a follow-up on that: This — this decision to relook at the database was — came after the Supreme Court decision, correct?
MR. LITTLE: That is correct.
Q: And has there been any — you know, the medal in question at the — in the court case wasn’t the Medal of Honor, right. So has there been a thought of — you know, there are not that many of those. I mean, that would strike as relatively easy to get a, sort of, database of the, you know, one or two most prestigious medals out there. Has that — rather than every Bronze Star and Silver Star —
MR. LITTLE: I think we have pretty strong information control around Medals of Honor already. But we’re talking about not just Medals of Honor, but a wide range in a very large number of other awards inside the military.
CAPT. KIRBY: These are valor awards. These are personal awards you’re given in valorous conditions. And, I mean, that can be everything from a Bronze Star right on up.
But you’re right about the Medal of Honor. We have a hall just down — just down the way here in the Pentagon where every single name is listed.
But that’s what we’re focusing on.
So they’re in — in other words, there’s not a, sort of — it’s always been too difficult to do every — too expensive, too big for every valor award, but, you know, Navy Crosses and, you know, Medals of Honor in a searchable database strike me as something that could be enacted at a lower cost and a —
MR. LITTLE: We’re exploring a lot of options. I don’t know that I can speculate as to — as to what the final outcome might be, but the goal, of course, would be to try to develop a database as large as possible, again, ensuring the integrity of the information contained in the database.
Q: As you unfold — as this unfolds, it’d be good for you to explain to the public why the Pentagon rejected this in 2005 and how things have advanced technologically in terms of records-keeping that allows you seven years later to revisit the issue and possibly set up a database.
MR. LITTLE: OK.
Q: That would be helpful to the public debate on this.
MR. LITTLE: All right. We’ll take a look at that.
DoD to build medals database. I posted this previously in the general chat section but didn’t have a link. Here’s the link:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012 … force-a.nl
I put it here for wider coverage.
To them, collectors are pests trying to "profit on our heroes", etc, etc, ad nauseum.
And yet a great many collectors are themselves veterans.
It seems the issue (to the Court) was the broadness of the law regarding free speech.I’m not surprised the court did not address the buying and selling issue as it was not part of the appeal.
Interesting to see the Court suggests what had been suggested here in 2005, a real database of medal recipients!
If only that were possible,
In an Associated Press article by Robert Burns that appeared in the Colorado Springs Gazette on 11 Jul 2012: "Database Considered for Medal Receipients". According to the article The Pentagon plans to establish a searchable database of military valor awards. The intent is to have a digital repository of records on valor awards going back as far in history as possible. Obviously, the 1973 fire at NPRC will complicated their efforts.
Edge numbered USMC Good Conduct Medals were issued during WW! for those Marine who enlisted for the war. They are not generally traceable by the number. There was a study done of graduates of Culver Military Academy who served in the Marine Corps during WW1, identifying the medals by number. It was reported in the old "Medal Collector" version of JOMSA many years ago. I don’t recall the exact issue.
I think it’s Graco, but not sure.
From his ANU membership badge this guy looks to be the Commander-in-Chief.
A version of the Military order of the Firing Squad badge. A subordinate ANU group like the "Cooties" & "40 & 8" groups. There is an illustration of one with a "starburst" background in Barry Wearver’s JOMSA article on ANU badges – see vol 50 #6.
I have a Dewey Medal Mini that was made a few years either side of WW1. I really think it’s probably post WW1. I don’t see much photographic evidence that minis were worn much before that.
I’m Jim Barker, OMSA #5014, sometime contributor to the old forum. I collect mostly U.S. federal military medals but have lately branched out into federal civilian medals and society badges. Also pick up the odd piece here and there as catch my eye.
Interesting that the cords are sewn together rather than braided as in the typical fourragere.
Was there not a fourragere created a few years ago for those military units that were awarded the order?
I believe the St George Cross/Medal was awarded to some French soldiers in WW1 especially Foreign Legionaires. I remember reading the the RMLE was awarded it as a unit award but it’s not listed in any of the other books I have on Foreign Legion honors.
JimJuly 2, 2011 at 7:25 am in reply to: Order of the Legion of Honor / Ordre de la Légion d’Honneur #13442
It could be the ribbon from the Order of the Dragon of Annam (French Indochina) or the Veitnam National Order.