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March 9, 2016 at 12:41 am in reply to: Pre WW1 UK medal bar with the Portugal and Spanish awards #28854
Thank you very much for your replay!
One more mystery – I picked up that lovely ribbon bar and I am just wondering is there any chance to trace the ribbon bar owner, based on the combination:
– 1914 Star
– British War Medal
– Victory Medal with the Mentioned in Despatches
– Rumenia Order of the Crown (from 1881), Officer (Ordinul Coroana României)
– French National Order Legion of Honour, Officer (Ordre national de la Légion d’honneur)
I think that the combination is pretty unique. Especially last two awards make it hopefully researchable. My main question is it there an "easy" way to narrow down from the London Gazette a WW1 officer, who got MID and then twice again should be listed regards froeign awards. I especially feel like the Rumenian award is the "weirdest" to the British officer. Also rosette indicates Officer class and that mean around 1918-1930 that man hold at least a rank of Major (criteria to receive Officer class award).
7. For a sale British War Medal, what belonged a Dublin man William Lindsay. Unfortunately his BWM have experienced hard times and I got it as a disk only. I added new new suspender and modern ribbon. However, his papers survived, so it is prefect future research project for Lancashire or Irish soldiers collector and now it’s not look so bad on the display as well.
I am asking 37 euro, including regular shipping and PayPal fees REDUCTION €34, including shipping and PayPal fees
William Lindsay (XX.07.1886 – 28.02.1951)
2nd East Lancashire Regiment
14 Star (Roll H/1/6 Page 58)
Victory Medal (Roll H/1/102 B13 Page 2803)
British War Medal (Roll H/1/102 B13 Page 2803)
William Lindsay was born in Dublin to Patrick and Sarah Lindsay at 16 Summer Place, Mountjoy, Dublin.
William also had 3 younger brothers and a sister. They were all Roman Catholic’s.
After finishing school, William worked as a porter and also joined Queen’s Own Dublin City Militia, which was from 1881 designed as the 4th Extra Reserve Battalion of the Royal Dublin Fusiliers.
In the summer of 1904, William decided to join the army and put his papers forward to join the East Lancashire Regiment.
Based on the medical examination notes, he was 5 feet 3 inches tall and weight 115 lbs.
He joined from Dublin on the 8th July 1904 and was posted to the 1st Battalion of East Lancashire Regiment. At this time (1905-1908) his battalion was based in Ireland, near Dublin in the Curragh. After three years of service, he was sent to the army reserves.
After his service, William worked as a van driver and he married Marie Teresa O’Toole on the 19th August 1913. Before the war they had one child.
When the First World War broke out, William was mobilized in August 1914 and posted to the 3rd Battalion on the 22nd August 1914.
Mean while the 2nd Battalion, which was garrisoned before the war in Wijnberg, South Africa, was sent quickly back to England where they arrived on the 30th of October 1914, next day Private Lindsay was attached to the 2nd Battalion for preparation to be sent in France as a part of 24th Brigade in 8th Division.
On the 6th November the 2nd Battalion of East Lancashire Regiment, including William Lindsay, landed in Le Havre.
At this time William got his first front line experience in the muddy France and Flanders trenches.
Private Lindsay was wounded in May 1915 and he was sent to Glasgow on the 15th May 1915 for following 144 days.
After 2 months of recovery with the 3rd reserve Battalion in Preston, William was sent back to France on the 6th of October 1915 with the 8th Service Battalion. Only 4 days later, he was transferred to the 9th Service Battalion,his unit was moved at the end of October to Salonika, as a part of Mediterranean Expeditionary Force, where they arrived on the 5th November 1915.
William served with that unit until the end of the war.
However, in February 1919 he volunteered for one year service. He gained rank temporary of Sergeant on the 20th June 1919 and he was attached to the 9th KORL on the 2nd October 1919. Interestingly the same regiment, 1st Battalion was based in Dublin at 1919-1922, and was one of the last British army units to leave Ireland, after the Free State of Ireland was announced.
In the following year, on the 2nd January 1920, he was sent to Class Z army Reserve.
William was awarded the 1914 “Mons” Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal.
He returned back to Dublin, where he lived for the rest of his life.
William died on the 28th February 1951.
5. USA Women’s Relief Corps Medal
Nice old medal with the extra clasp. Ribbon is pretty weak and fadded.
I am asking €20
4. Rare pre Fidel Castro period Cuban ribbon bar (you don’t see many of them around!)
VERY nicelly made Great enamel and pin system – you can feel quality in there.
– National Reconiliation Medal with the Star
– Armed Forces Military Medal
– Long Service Medal with three chevrons
I am asking €35
3. Splendid Austrian ribbon bar from WW1 period, to the brave front line officer
– Military Merit Cross with swords (2 times awarded)
– Silver Military Merit Medal (Signum Lavdis)
– Bronze Military Merit Medal (Signum Lavdis)
– Carl Troop Cross 1916
– Commemorative Cross for Mobilization 1912-1913
I am asking SOLD
2. Royal Irish/Ulster Rifles shooting medal
Royal Irish/Ulster Rifles shooting medal from George 5th or 6th period. Unnamed.
I would like to get €22 REDUCTION €16, including shipping and PayPal fees.May 15, 2012 at 10:59 am in reply to: India Mutiny Medal – 1st Bombay European Fusiliers #15834
Yes, it is one of my oldest Dubs related awards at the moment – and I was incredible lucky to get his papers.
I strongly feel that if I collect one regiment only, then the study must be done as far back it’s possible (to understand well regimental history – especially to me, who do not know so much details of British military past), and not only post 1881 period, when they became known as a Royal Dublin Fusiliers 2nd Battalion.
More will follow,
Michael Graham (1891 – xxxx)
9th Battalion, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Michael was entitled:
– Victory Medal
– British War Medal
– 1915 Star
– Silver War Badge
1915 Star roll and his Medal Index Card show his Christian name initial as “W”. However, his Victory Medal/British War Medal and Silver War Badge roll confirms his first name Michael (2/7/8/9).
Also his Victory Medal and British War Medal roll misspell his surname “Grehan” (9).
Michael enlisted on the 15th March 1915 age 24. He served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers as a private and his service number was 19352 (2/7).
He was listed with the 9th Battalion what was formed in September 1914 as a part of K2 and attached to 48th Brigade in 16th (Irish) Division (3/4).
At this time, when Michael joined, whole unit was structured together in Buttevant military barracks in Co.Cork. However, shortly after, in June 1915 they were sent to near by to Ballyhooley, Co.Cork and in September to England, where whole 16th (Irish) Division was sent together for last preparations (3/4/5).
9th Battalion with Private Michael Graham arrived to France on the 19th December 1915 under Divisional command of Irish Major General William Hickie (2/3/6).
It is impossible to find out which engagements he took part and how long he served on the muddy fields of Flanders. Most likely he was part of the unit when they were in the Battle of Hulluch (27th – 29th April – meantime Easter Rising took in place in Ireland). Next they were moved to Somme Valley and engaged in the Battle of the Somme in Guillemont – Ginchy area, where they suffered massive casualties (6).
Again highest cost was paid during the Flanders Offensive (3rd Battle of Ypres) from 7th June until 10th November 1917 (04/6).
Because there was so many casualties, they were amalgamated with the 8th Battalion and formed unit 8/9th Battalion (3/4/6).
10th February 1918 they were disbanded and the soldiers were transferred to the 1st and 2nd Battalions (3/4/5/6).
However, most likely Michael wasn’t in France at this time anymore. Like the SWB roll shows, he picked up some disease during his service and he was discharged on the 28th February 1918 because sickness. Usually this kind a conclusion from medical commission followed after being hospitalised in England or Ireland. He was granted Silver War Badge (number 336254). He was 27 years old at this time (7).
There are 4 Michael Graham’s on the Census of Ireland 1911, who age would be correct. Unfortunately without the extra information, it is impossible to narrow down which one of them is the same man (1).
(1) National Archives: Census of Ireland 1901/1911
(2) British Army 1914-1918 Medal Index Card
(3) The Long, Long Trail – The British Army of 1914-1918 – for family historians
(4) Royal Dublin Fusiliers – a forgotten regiment
(5) Royal Dublin Fusiliers – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(6) Ireland Unknown Soldiers, The 16th (Irish) Division in the Great War
by Terence Denman
(7) Silver War Badge Roll Page B1103, 22.01.1919, Dublin Infantry Records
(8) 1915 Star Roll, Dublin Infantry Records
(9) Victory Medal and British War Medal Roll, Dublin Infantry Records
Commemorative Medal for the Serbian-Bulgarian War of 1885, bronze and silver – take two together 45 euro
Colonial Medal (Médaille Coloniale) – 70 euro
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My very first RDF officer’s find and research. So high level scouting was great suprise and helped with the research a lot!
Henry Murray “Chippi” Letchworth, M.A.
(6th February 1889 – December 1964)
Captain, Commander of “Y” Company
1st Battalion, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Henry Murray Letchworth was born in 6th February 1889 at Exton which is small village in Hampshire, England, he had a twin brother Arthur Gordon Letchworth and older brother George Howard Letchworth.
His twin brother Arthur served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers and after the war worked as a clerk with the Health Ministry (he died in 1933).
In his early years Henry lived with his aunt at Newlyn, Adelaide Road, Kingston, Surbiton where he was recorded in the 1891 and 1901 census.
In his teenage years Henry entered the Haileybury and Imperial Service College, which is known as a prestigious British independent school, near Hertford (32 km from central London).
1907 he matriculated to the Oriel College, Oxford, where he studied Theology, Henry was also member of the Officer Training Corps which he left in October 1910.
In 22nd July 1911 he got a 3rd class Honors Degree, 4 years later, on the 3rd April 1915 he achieved a Master’s Degree.
At the same Henry started working as an Assistant Master on the Beechmont Preparatory School, Sevenoaks and he lived at 3 Ethelbert Road, Canterbury, Kent.
When the Great War broke out, Henry responded to the King’s call and put his application forward on the 22nd March 1915 to become an officer in the British Army, his candidature was accepted and he was appointed a commission in the Special Reserve of Officers with the 4th Royal Dublin Fusiliers in the rank of 2nd Lieutenant.
On the 20th of December 1915 the London Gazette supplement confirmed that 2nd Lieutenant Henry M. Letchworth has attested to the Royal Dublin Fusiliers.
During his time in Ireland, he was stationed with the 4th battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers in Templemore Barracks.
Ironically Henry got his first combat experience here, when the 4th Battalion was sent to Dublin during the Easter Rising 24–30 April 1916 where they also suffered casualties, a detachment of 4th Battalion is also reported as being in Dublin Castle.
In July 1916, 2nd Lieutenant Letchworth was attached to the 8th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, at this time this unit fought on the Western Front as a part of 48th Brigade of the 16th (Irish) Division. Their hardest challenge took place on the fields of France and Belgium – the 1916 Somme offensive.
Henry was sent back to England on the 7th of September 1916 from Le Havre on the HMMS Panama and he arrived back to Southampton on the 14th September 1916. Due to his health condition, the medical board of the 2nd Southern General Hospital in Bristol granted him a leave from 18th September to 17th October.
Henry joined the 4th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers again on the 26th October 1916, at this time they were based in Mullingar.
The following year on the 1st of July 1917 Henry was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant (25.10.1917 London Gazette).
At this time, he was attached to the 1st Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, which arrived back from their service in the Balkans the previous year. Most likely this move took place during the reorganisations in October 1917, when the battalion was transferred to the 48th Brigade 16th (Irish) Division or earlier. Unfortunately it is impossible to trace that transfer.
Henry must have proved himself as a valuable front line officer as from the 15th of February 1918 Henry was appointed to the rank of Acting Captain (19.04.1918 London Gazette), but things took a very different turn on the 21st March 1918.
The previous year the German High Command had decided to make a decisive attack in the west in the following spring and their target was the British Army in the Somme area. The Germans plan was to destroy British units before American forces could build up their strength. The New offensive was called the "Kaiserschlacht" (Kaiser’s Battle) or known now as the “Spring Offensive”.
The Germans planned to use their new tactics, which they practised on the Russian front – intense artillery barrage against key points such as machine-gun posts, headquarters, railways, telephone lines, etc. Attacks would be carried out by small well trained groups – stormtroopers, whose main aim was to move forward through gaps in the front and try to surround the main frontline troops.
The attack started with the artillery bombardment at 4.40 am on 21 March. The bombardment targeted an area of 150 square miles, the biggest barrage of the entire war. Over 1,100,000 shells were fired in five hours.
In the end, over 320 soldiers from Royal Dublin Fusiliers were killed in this battle and many of them were taken prisoners. I have the privilege to have a copy of Acting Captain Henry Murray Letchworth’s own report of what happened on that day. He was 1st Battalion, Y Company commander at this time. He wrote the following statement on the 16th of January 1919:
Captain Letchworth became one of the 4 officers and 290 men missing after the attacks. He was captured near Epehy and Lempire.
The Book “Bluecaps” also indicates what he said in his last message which he sent off at 2.30pm to the Battalion Headquarters:
Regarding the moment when he was captured, I was able to find out who was the wounded Captain, sadly this man never made it back to Ireland:
William Kee, Acting Captain, MC, from Meenagrove, Co.Donegal. Officially he served in the 7th Battalion but after commission in 1915 rose the ranks to be Acting Captain and was attached to the 1st Battalion. He was brave man indeed, Mentioned in Despatches twice and Military Cross ( bar posthumously 16th September 1918) for his valour in Somme, he died three days later in Germans hands on the 24th March 1918.
Captain Letchworth had the fortune (good or bad is a matter of opinion in those “days of death”) to be taken prisoner of war by the German forces and he was first sent to Karlsruhe officers prison camp (Karlsruhe¬Offiziere Camp) in Baden.
Officers were held in camps reserved only for them. There were living conditions less harsh then the regular soldier’s camps. They had beds, separate rooms for their meals and they were able to be involved in study or sport.
After his capture, his next of kin address to the Germans was recorded as; Reverend Canon. H.H. Letchworth, 3 Ethelberth Road, Canterbury.
Also during his time as a POW, he became a life-long friend with the Lieutenant John Herbert Brereton Sewell from 5th Manchester Regiment, who introduced few years later to him new passion of his life – Scouting.
In late 1918 the war finally ended. One clause of the 11th November 1918 Armistice dealt with the matter of prisoner-of-war repatriation: “The immediate repatriation without reciprocity, according to detailed conditions which shall be fixed.” Overall, these prisoners were speedily repatriated.
Henry was released from the prison camp on the 19th of November 1918 and he arrived back to England on the 29th of November 1918. At this time he gave his own address as 62 Old Dover Road, Canterbury, Kent.
He relinquished his rank Acting Captain on the 19th of March 1919 and left army service with the 4th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers on the 23rd of August 1920.
After the war Henry returned back to teaching and he became Co-Principal at Chafyn Grove School, Salisbury from 1920 onwards.
During these years, he coached the school rugby team and produced the annual school play. In school his nickname was Slush (what he did not like).
Four years after he was liberated from the Prisoner of War camp, he met his friend again with whom he was a POW with – John H.B. Sewell was invited to join the staff of Chafyn Grove School. Henry himself, had never been a Scout, but he and his twin brother had in their youth frequently been on camping holidays together. Sewell, who was already District Commissioner for Stockport, quickly enthused him with the ideals and challenge of the movement.
John H.B. Sewell remained at the school until 1931 from then onwards Letchworth was in full time charge of the 16th Salisbury (Chafyn Grove School) Scout Group.
At the annual Scout Camp, he was known as Chippi – this name he didn’t mind and which probably dated back to the war.
When the Second World War broke out he was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant on the 25th of November 1942 (Extract from London Gazette 11.06.1943). On 25th of May 1944 he was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant (Extract from War Office Orders 21.09.1944).
He served with the Army Cadet Force, (personal number P275884/1) and rose to the rank of Major when he was appointed as an Officer to the 7th Cadet Battalion, Wiltshire A.C.7.
Henry resigned on 30th April 1945 from that position and on the 29th of May he relinquished his commission.
His main passion all of his life had been teaching and Scouting, after he joined the Scouts Organisation in 1923, he remained active with them for forty years.
His great capability in Training Scouters was soon recognised and in 1928 he became Assistant County Commissioner (Training), and was subsequently active in arranging courses for Scouters. In addition he took on the job of D.C. South Wilts in 1938, remaining there for ten years. He carried much of the burden of maintaining Scouting in the County as well as District during the 1939-1945.
On returning from his County position in 1954 he became a Deputy Camp Chief attached to Gilwell Park, a rare distinction.
Papers indicate that he lived at this time at 12 Bourne Avenue, Salisbury. It is an old Victorian house and nowadays it is a nursing home.
Further details about him show that he did a bit travelling after the war with the Scouting. In the summer of 1955 he went to New York on SS Queen Elizabeth and arrived back in September from Canada on SS Saxonia. He visited the 8th World Scouts Jamboree at Niagra-on-Lake, Canada during 18-28 August.
Henry Murray Letchworth died on December 1964 after a short illness. He was 75 years of age. His death is registered England & Wales, Death Index 1916-2005 role as October-December 1964, Salisbury district, Wiltshire (Volume 7c, page 531).
For his service during First World War as a Royal Dublin Fusiliers officer, Captain Henry Murray Letchworth was award the Victory Medal and British War Medal (he applied for his medals on the 3rd of April 1921), however in regards his World War Two medal entitlement at this point it is impossible to confirm if he did receive any awards (Defence Medal and/or War Medal)
For his devotion and hard work for Scouting Organisation, “Chippi” received during the Second World War the highest award presented by The Scout Association “for services of the most exceptional character” – The Silver Wolf Award. This award in 1922 was an award for Adult volunteers for Services to Scouting and awarded only by the Chief Scout of the World.
(1) Officer’s service papers from MOD
(2) British Army 1914-1918 Service Medal Index Card
(3) The Long, Long Trail – The British Army of 1914-1918 – for family historians
(4) Family Tree, Genealogy and Census Records – Ancestry.co.uk
(5) Royal Dublin Fusiliers – a forgotten regiment
(6) Ireland Unknown Soldiers, The 16th (Irish) Division in the Great War
by Terence Denman
(7) 16th (Irish) Division – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(8) Neill’s “Blue Caps”
By Colonel H C Wylly
(9) A Forlorn Hope: The Royal Dublin Fusiliers in the Kaiser’s Battle March 1918
By Sean Connolly
(10) World War I prisoners of war in Germany – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_ … in_Germany
(11)Scouting in South Wiltshire 1908-1968. issued by Salisbury & South Wiltshire District Scout Council.
(12) Silver Wolf Award – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(13) The Scouter, 1954, June
Congratulation! This is a cracker set!
As a Dubs enthusiast, I purchased my first officer group just a little pit time ago and finished my write-up. No MC now or anything so “fancy” as yours but isn’t just the feeling of doing great research the best – main reason to collect!
Timo aka Noor
Actually I am familiar with that event. It is sad how the day of celebrations can take turns.
Have you come accross with the same zeton before?
Timo, you better – you still know Russian …
This is interetsing link – VERY well recorded event… suprise suprise.