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    Anonymous
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    I would sincerely appreciate any opinions as to the authenticity of this Siam WWI Victory Medal and its possible value. Thank you.
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    #15279
    usmcgungho
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    This is an Inter-Allied Victory Medal, Thailand, from the Harry A. Mohler Collection at the Hoover Institute, Stanford University. Since it is difficult to authenticate medals by email, you can be the judge. Does it appear that your medal may be cast as opposed to stamped? Is there a seam on the rim?
    Richard
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    #15280
    usmcgungho
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    As You can see, this medal has far more depth and sharpness of detail. The flat srface areas between the lettering appear smooth and bright with no mottling.
    Hope this helps.
    Richard
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    #15286
    rdave
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    The pictures are quite washed out, so it’s hard to see enough detail to be sure.

    The genuine ones have good detail, and it is usually not difficult to determine a copy from an original when inspected in detail side-by-side with an original. Most copies have clunky detail.

    There are a lot of copies out there, with several major die-struck copy types, plus other homemade copies. Very few copies are cast.

    The next few pictures include a genuine example are some common copy variations.

    Alexander Laslo had a good description of these in his book "Interallied Victory Medals of WW1" (1992, 2nd edition is the most recent). His book covered the genuine version, "Repro Type 1" and "Repro Type 2". It’s a little hard to find but available from time to time.

    As for values, for a genuine one, you can find realized prices in the latest auction catalogs. It depends on quality and of course current demand.

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    rdave
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    A genuine example
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    #15288
    rdave
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    The Laslo Repro type 1 (hidden ear type)

    Q: Does anyone know when or where this was made ?
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    #15289
    rdave
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    The Laslo Repro type 2.

    This was made by Earnst Blass.

    Q: Does anyone know where and when Blass made these ?
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    #15290
    rdave
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    The Mike Shank copy (Virginia, USA).

    You find these on ebay in a steady stream, along with all the other copy victory medals, etc he tries to sell as original (although now he simply says he doesn’t know anything about them, and that he got them all at the SOS show).

    They are marked "BRONZE" on the edge.
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    #15291
    rdave
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    Another common reproduction, available on ebay. It is advertised by the seller as a reproduction, but sometimes then ends up with others advertised as genuine.

    As the price is only about 2% the price of an original, it is not not a bad space filler for those so inclined.
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    #15292
    rdave
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    Related is the Thai WW1 Victory Medal

    There are two dies.

    (my example is not very nice, and the ribbon fell off)
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    #15293
    rdave
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    King Rama VI’s WW1 Service Jeton
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    #15294
    Anonymous
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    I thank all who have helped me with this item.

    #15297
    usmcgungho
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    Thanks for the excellent photos Dave. I never realized that medal was so scarce that they made repros.
    Richard

    #15298
    rdave
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    A die-struck "museum replica" out of the UK
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    #15299
    rdave
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    A cast replica out of the UK. It can be ordered "as new" or "aged".

    Note the suspension ring is cast into the medal (so it is fixed and does not swivel).
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