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Please help with Japanese medal identification

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July 16, 2016 at 2:58 pm #31174

Great Scott!
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I think this is a Japanese medal but I have no idea what it is or its age. Does anyone here know what this is? It measures 3.5 inches across and the center is similar to the Order of United Glory based on the description given by Peterson in The Medal Collector, Volume II # 2 (Sep-Oct 1960). The larger blue & white portion is not the same, however. Thank you for your help!

July 17, 2016 at 7:12 am #31176

megan
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The design looks like it comes from Taiwan (Republic of China)… but I don’t recognise it straight off… will have to delve a bit!

July 18, 2016 at 5:24 am #31178

jb floyd
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Frankly, this looks like one of the endless stream of fakes and fantasies that continue to pour out of China through Ebay. Many incorporate elements of real orders and the multi-colored enamelled rays seem to be a particular favorite. They may have graduated from the “hairpin” style of pins, but the absence of a polished back still points to a very modern origin.

June 19, 2019 at 3:23 pm #37658

Anonymous
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Hi. I don’t see an image of the medal. Is there one?
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The only information appearing to be available for this unclaimed clasp can be found in the London Gazette issue of 1849, where the approved NGS clasps were published:

Boats of ‘Fawn’ under Lieut. Morgan. Action with cutter and schooner ‘Guadaloupe’, and capture.

A search of the Navy List from 1793-1815 reveals a total of 18 commissioned officers with the surname of Morgan. Of these, 9 have a Lieutenant’s commission date after 25 July 1809 or died before that date and can be ruled out. Of the remaining, three died between 1817-22 before receiving a promotion and must also be ruled out. Out of the remaining six, four have entries in either Marshall’s or O’Byrne’s Naval Biographies, two with service records, but these two do not mention anything about the action, which would be highly unlikely if it resulted in the man’s promotion. This leaves four potential candidates, one being promoted as late as 1827, he is probably not the man. The remaining three were promoted to Commander between 1814-16, and could all have been the man in charge. Unfortunately, all died between 1817-43, and it’s not likely much biographical information on either of them can be found.


Name	Lieut	Cmd	Died
MORGAN, John Fortescue	15 Sep 1806	12 Oct 1814	9 Dec 1843
MORGAN, Thomas	10 May 1809	16 Nov 1814	Apr 1843
MORGAN, Charles	15 Jun 1781	1 Jan 1816	1817
MORGAN, James (1)	2 Sep 1783	25 Apr 1827	1835

One would have to search the muster books for HMS Fawn to identify who the Lieutenant was.